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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Sept 20, 2015 21:10:11 GMT
I'll start off the thread with four hypocrisies:
It's not acceptable to like Terry wads since they're garbage, but it's ok to like stuff such as Smiley's Face Safari, WOOO, etc.
It's not ok for other people's resources to be used in things they don't like (Doomguy's Warzone), but it's totally fine for Scallano's 667 shuffle, AEOD, etc.
People complain about Brutal Doom being unbalanced, but praise wads such as Russian Overkill which makes things too easy.
People get offended by Terrywads, Doomguy's Warzone, and other things they don't like. Some of them seem to be fine with Grezzo 2 even though it's more offensive than the things this community doesn't like.
If you guys seem to find anymore of their hypocrisies I missed, then feel free to post them here as a response.
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Post by benis on Sept 21, 2015 1:03:11 GMT
Brutal Doom sucks because it's unbalanced and relies on tasteless gore and shock value to make up for a lack of game depth.
Modern first-person shooters suck because they're shallow, linear, and only appeal to graphics whores.
Doom was unbalanced, but that's OK because it's retro. Doom relied on tasteless gore and shock value to make up for being shallow, but that's OK because it's retro. Running around mazes collecting keycards to get to the next level is linear, but that's OK because Doom is retro. There were other first-person shooters with better game design at the time, but Doom was better because it had better graphics.
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Post by Rad1kal (Scrump) on Sept 22, 2015 5:51:12 GMT
Wow, you speak the fucking truth brother, lol. That's why I chose this forums to express my self since I don't like douchebags and hypocrites on doom world.
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Post by Rad1kal (Scrump) on Sept 22, 2015 5:53:01 GMT
Brutal Doom sucks because it's unbalanced and relies on tasteless gore and shock value to make up for a lack of game depth. Modern first-person shooters suck because they're shallow, linear, and only appeal to graphics whores. Doom was unbalanced, but that's OK because it's retro. Doom relied on tasteless gore and shock value to make up for being shallow, but that's OK because it's retro. Running around mazes collecting keycards to get to the next level is linear, but that's OK because Doom is retro. There were other first-person shooters with better game design at the time, but Doom was better because it had better graphics. Not to mention, It has a better story lines and game plays. The protagonist is fearless and epic.
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Post by Queen Monster on Sept 22, 2015 15:27:32 GMT
Whoa whoa whoa, back the fucking truck up. 1. Terry wads aren't the only wads with a large crowd of haters. They may be more widely panned than others, but there's still plenty of hatred directed at other wads. 2. If someone's put time and effort into making a resource, they have every right to decide what it is and isn't allowed to be used in. Saying resources should be able to be used whether or not the creator approves of your usage of said resource is incredibly self-centered. 3. There's a fine line between the forced brutality of Brutal Doom and the cheesy excess of Russian Overkill. Not everyone who whines about either mod has a legitimate argument, but both mods have their own fanbases, so nobody's ganging up on either one. 4. If you seriously care about people getting offended by stuff, you need to learn to ignore them. Society is a flawed construct, and too many people are offended by stupid stuff of no consequence. The less attention you pay to other people being idiots, the less they'll get you down. Life's too short to be a constant critic, man. Lighten up
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Sept 23, 2015 1:24:46 GMT
Whoa whoa whoa, back the fucking truck up. 1. Terry wads aren't the only wads with a large crowd of haters. They may be more widely panned than others, but there's still plenty of hatred directed at other wads. 2. If someone's put time and effort into making a resource, they have every right to decide what it is and isn't allowed to be used in. Saying resources should be able to be used whether or not the creator approves of your usage of said resource is incredibly self-centered. 3. There's a fine line between the forced brutality of Brutal Doom and the cheesy excess of Russian Overkill. Not everyone who whines about either mod has a legitimate argument, but both mods have their own fanbases, so nobody's ganging up on either one. 4. If you seriously care about people getting offended by stuff, you need to learn to ignore them. Society is a flawed construct, and too many people are offended by stupid stuff of no consequence. The less attention you pay to other people being idiots, the less they'll get you down. Life's too short to be a constant critic, man. Lighten up 1. Yeah, that's true but what does that have to do with the first point? I guess my wads and Brutal Doom have a large group of haters. They seem to be fine with Mr. Smiley Head's Safari as I've stated before. 2. That didn't stop me or Nic Piro from using resources we didn't have permission. Then again most of the authors could care less if their resources are used in other wads. That still doesn't fully explain why it's acceptable for them to use other people's resources and why I can't. If I didn't use other people's resources, then Doomguy's Warzone Gold Edition wouldn't be the legend that it is today. 3. Most of the Brutal Doom fans don't even associate themselves with this childish community. This hypocrisy has to do with on what the community thinks of these wads. They always complain about Brutal Doom, but seem to be fine with Russian Overkill and that wad has no negative from what I can see. 4. I don't care about people getting offended by stuff. This was another example of how hypocritical this community can get. The reason why too many people get offended as you say is because they are oversensitive just like this community. I could say the samething to those people, but they seem to love negativity. Again that last sentence could also be said to the community just I like I keep repeating it, since they also do the samethings I do; and no I'm not gonna stop exposing the truth on the Doom community. Most of your response didn't even try to counteract any of the hypocrisies I listed in this thread.
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Post by Rad1kal (Scrump) on Sept 23, 2015 2:24:31 GMT
Whoa whoa whoa, back the fucking truck up. 1. Terry wads aren't the only wads with a large crowd of haters. They may be more widely panned than others, but there's still plenty of hatred directed at other wads. 2. If someone's put time and effort into making a resource, they have every right to decide what it is and isn't allowed to be used in. Saying resources should be able to be used whether or not the creator approves of your usage of said resource is incredibly self-centered. 3. There's a fine line between the forced brutality of Brutal Doom and the cheesy excess of Russian Overkill. Not everyone who whines about either mod has a legitimate argument, but both mods have their own fanbases, so nobody's ganging up on either one. 4. If you seriously care about people getting offended by stuff, you need to learn to ignore them. Society is a flawed construct, and too many people are offended by stupid stuff of no consequence. The less attention you pay to other people being idiots, the less they'll get you down. Life's too short to be a constant critic, man. Lighten up 1. Yeah, that's true but what does that have to do with the first point? I guess my wads and Brutal Doom have a large group of haters. They seem to be fine with Mr. Smiley Head's Safari as I've stated before. 2. That didn't stop me or Nic Piro from using resources we didn't have permission. Then again most of the authors could care less if their resources are used in other wads. That still doesn't fully explain why it's acceptable for them to use other people's resources and why I can't. If I didn't use other people's resources, then Doomguy's Warzone Gold Edition wouldn't be the legend that it is today. 3. Most of the Brutal Doom fans don't even associate themselves with this childish community. This hypocrisy has to do with on what the community thinks of these wads. They always complain about Brutal Doom, but seem to be fine with Russian Overkill and that wad has no negative from what I can see. 4. I don't care about people getting offended by stuff. This was another example of how hypocritical this community can get. The reason why too many people get offended as you say is because they are oversensitive just like this community. I could say the samething to those people, but they seem to love negativity. Again that last sentence could also be said to the community just I like I keep repeating it, since they also do the samethings I do; and no I'm not gonna stop exposing the truth on the Doom community. Most of your response didn't even try to counteract any of the hypocrisies I listed in this thread. Scrump: Agreed
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Post by Queen Monster on Sept 23, 2015 17:38:25 GMT
Well your logic's all over the place, but at least you try. I agree with you on point 4 though, everyone seems to be taking offense to the extreme.
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Sept 24, 2015 4:29:48 GMT
Well your logic's all over the place, but at least you try. I agree with you on point 4 though, everyone seems to be taking offense to the extreme. But you didn't even address most of the Hypocrisies I put out on this thread. If anything, your response was all over the place.
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Post by Rad1kal (Scrump) on Sept 24, 2015 4:43:15 GMT
Well your logic's all over the place, but at least you try. I agree with you on point 4 though, everyone seems to be taking offense to the extreme. But you didn't even address most of the Hypocrisies I put out on this thread. If anything, your response was all over the place. oooooooh, I knew you where gonna go there.
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Post by Queen Monster on Sept 24, 2015 16:15:17 GMT
If I'm supposed to adress your exact statements, then I'll have a go. 1: Bullshit. Very few terry wads have any endearing qualities, except for the really well made ones such as UACMN2, and the classics such as TMOC. So this isn't a hypocrisy, but more to do with preferance. 2: This is to be expected, and is not a hypocrisy. 3: They have logical reasons to like RU more than BD, one of which is the fact that RU is less "realistic" than BD, and to a certain extent retains the doom spirit better than BD. So again, not a hypocrisy. 4: Yup. This one's a hypocrisy.
There we go. Just to clarify, I don't care about any of these things and I certainly don't care about "winning" an argument on the internet, I'm just pointing out the facts.
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Sept 25, 2015 0:03:10 GMT
If I'm supposed to adress your exact statements, then I'll have a go. 1: Bullshit. Very few terry wads have any endearing qualities, except for the really well made ones such as UACMN2, and the classics such as TMOC. So this isn't a hypocrisy, but more to do with preferance. 2: This is to be expected, and is not a hypocrisy. 3: They have logical reasons to like RU more than BD, one of which is the fact that RU is less "realistic" than BD, and to a certain extent retains the doom spirit better than BD. So again, not a hypocrisy. 4: Yup. This one's a hypocrisy. There we go. Just to clarify, I don't care about any of these things and I certainly don't care about "winning" an argument on the internet, I'm just pointing out the facts. 1. Then explain to me why it's acceptable to like garbage such as Smiley's Face Safari? 2. I already explained my reasoning on this point and will try to once again be more specific. I can give credits for the realm667 resources and people still bitch at me. When others like Scallano use them for example, nobody seem to care, so yes that's still a hypocrisy. People complaining about whether it's not allowed to use certain resources is just childish. They seem to treat this issue like they are copyrighted or something. It's different if you're making off other people's work, then yeah they have a right to complain about it. 3. Oh right, this is coming from the same guy who praises Brutal Doom. One of the complaints about Brutal Doom is that it's unbalanced. Russian Overkill is also unbalanced, but once again nobody complains about it. Instead of trying to counteract this point, you try to use some logical reasoning as to why Brutal Doom is more hated.
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Post by Queen Monster on Sept 25, 2015 15:58:25 GMT
Apparently most people only like it because they played it when they were younger. CeeJay says this on the Zdoom forums: "The original featured "stolen" levels from all over the place (this was common back then), sprites and graphics that were floating around the net with only a handful that were actually drawn by the authors themselves. No matter how you slice it, it was a lazy mod with no real direction or effort. Still, it had it's charm, maybe it's just nostalgia." So I don't know what would make you think people thought it was legitimately good, at least in the way a game like duke nukem 3d is good. On the subject of the credit thing, I suspect in your case it's more to do with people not wanting their rescources being asociated with your stuff, seeing how infamous you are, but being too pussy to actually tell you that (which is both rude and lazy). Your infamy is kinda cool, in its own way. Makes you like a Doom outlaw And I wasn't praising brutal doom as such, I was just pointing out that it has its uses. In relation to the fact that nobody complains about RU being unbalanced, I think it's because nobody really minds, seeing how up front it is about its ridiculousness.
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Post by Jay Dee on Aug 29, 2016 13:20:49 GMT
If I'm supposed to adress your exact statements, then I'll have a go. 1: Bullshit. Very few terry wads have any endearing qualities, except for the really well made ones such as UACMN2, and the classics such as TMOC. So this isn't a hypocrisy, but more to do with preferance. 2: This is to be expected, and is not a hypocrisy. 3: They have logical reasons to like RU more than BD, one of which is the fact that RU is less "realistic" than BD, and to a certain extent retains the doom spirit better than BD. So again, not a hypocrisy. 4: Yup. This one's a hypocrisy. There we go. Just to clarify, I don't care about any of these things and I certainly don't care about "winning" an argument on the internet, I'm just pointing out the facts. 1. Then explain to me why it's acceptable to like garbage such as Smiley's Face Safari? 2. I already explained my reasoning on this point and will try to once again be more specific. I can give credits for the realm667 resources and people still bitch at me. When others like Scallano use them for example, nobody seem to care, so yes that's still a hypocrisy. People complaining about whether it's not allowed to use certain resources is just childish. They seem to treat this issue like they are copyrighted or something. It's different if you're making off other people's work, then yeah they have a right to complain about it. 3. Oh right, this is coming from the same guy who praises Brutal Doom. One of the complaints about Brutal Doom is that it's unbalanced. Russian Overkill is also unbalanced, but once again nobody complains about it. Instead of trying to counteract this point, you try to use some logical reasoning as to why Brutal Doom is more hated. Some people on zdoom was always fucked up from the start, some say its shit, some say its cool, Ill try to address some of the points: 1. People hates terry wads because they were made by known terry wad makers and for some reason, people thinks that terry wads are shit. Because of negative publicity, people are hating on terry wads, through id say they are awesome! Peoples accept smiley's face safari because they shrugs it off as if it was a joke/troll wad. 2. Like I said, these terry wads are from known terry wad makers. Its other peoples problems, they might be bitches who likes to troll or doesn't want association with terry wads. People treats it like copyright because they think that its their rights, their properties and treats it as such. GIVE THESE ASSHOLES 0 FUCKS. 3. The main difference in BD and RU is how they satisfy players. These mods satisfies players differently. RU has a HUGE ASS weapons collection, but it doesn't have blood, gore or those shit. Its quite satisfying to shoot enemies with this collection, like you said, its overpowered.But they doesn't treat it as such. But BD satisfies players with blood and gore, new weapons and monsters and those shit. The trailers Sgt mark iv releases makes it look shit and like a mish-mash of bloody gore. Everyone complains about it because of its difficulty. If one was to use it with a wad, it would be quite challenging. That's why people never complained about RU and criticizes BD. I hated it because it was too difficult.
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Post by Doomguy 2000 on Aug 30, 2016 0:17:19 GMT
Some people on zdoom was always fucked up from the start, some say its shit, some say its cool, Ill try to address some of the points: 1. People hates terry wads because they were made by known terry wad makers and for some reason, people thinks that terry wads are shit. Because of negative publicity, people are hating on terry wads, through id say they are awesome! Peoples accept smiley's face safari because they shrugs it off as if it was a joke/troll wad. 2. Like I said, these terry wads are from known terry wad makers. Its other peoples problems, they might be bitches who likes to troll or doesn't want association with terry wads. People treats it like copyright because they think that its their rights, their properties and treats it as such. GIVE THESE ASSHOLES 0 FUCKS. 3. The main difference in BD and RU is how they satisfy players. These mods satisfies players differently. RU has a HUGE ASS weapons collection, but it doesn't have blood, gore or those shit. Its quite satisfying to shoot enemies with this collection, like you said, its overpowered.But they doesn't treat it as such. But BD satisfies players with blood and gore, new weapons and monsters and those shit. The trailers Sgt mark iv releases makes it look shit and like a mish-mash of bloody gore. Everyone complains about it because of its difficulty. If one was to use it with a wad, it would be quite challenging. That's why people never complained about RU and criticizes BD. I hated it because it was too difficult. 1. I'm guessing the reason why people like garbage such as Smiley's Face Safari is because it's not offensive of course I could say the same thing about Hotline U.A.C. mainly because it's not offensive but at the end of the day it's still garbage. 3. And once again, they seem to fine with overpower weapons wads is because they make things too easy and personally, I find them to be boring after 5 minutes just to see what the weapons do. Russian Overkill is just an example of this, there's other wads that are similar to that example. More regular Doom fans prefer Brutal Doom for obvious reasons I'm not going into and I had more fun with it until I got burned out of Brutal Doom.
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